Episode Transcript

Who makes the world's best big bore sport bike cycle news has the answer in the big bore shootout. Plus a day with George price. The guru behind the world's quickest pro stock by

then it's liquid performance inside and out in our project of the week.

Hey guys, welcome to T DC and the quest for the world's best big bore sport bike. I'm Alan neighbors. And if you're looking to buy an open class bike, what you're about to see might help you sort out the hype

for three days. Five experts will test seven motorcycles on two tracks

and the street

a

lovely day.

It's the annual cycle news, big board shootout where the winner gets crowned the year's best big sport bike.

The premise of the open class shootout is obviously to ride the bikes on the street and then

once again, take them out to the track to see what they can really do.

You know, most dealers aren't going to let the consumer go out and ride their new 160 horsepower sport bike and take it for a spin.

Today. Cycle news test spins the world's best ducati's

magnificent. 999 series with the high torque Testa Strata L twin engine,

Ali's 1 L

Mile

RSV V twin with Lan suspension and Brembo brakes.

Suzuki's still potent GSX R 1000 and their brand new super crisp handling GSX 750

the Yamaha R one totally new from the ground up with its ultra high revving motor.

The extremely aggressive Kawasaki ZX 10, the lightest and most powerful bike in the test

and bristling with advanced chassis technology, Honda's superbike platform, the tricks CBR 1000 R.

Blake's test team will sort them out. Managing editor Scott Russo, a ma champion, Tom Montano

motorcycle racer, journalist Peter Jones and Canadian editor Mark Archard.

After a full day of street testing in the canyons of Malibu, it was time to head to Willow Springs for testing on the small and big tracks

to ensure consistency at high speeds. Each of the test bikes get a set of gun lap, sticky D 28 GPA tires.

It's just a hoot to come out here and ride these bikes

in a, in

a, in a manner in which they were meant to be ridden. Uh

These things are all capable of 170 mile an hour speeds. There's no better place to take them than here,

you know, in Willow Springs, fastest road in the west man. And we're getting around here and we're having a good time doing it

when it comes to speed. The big track tests more than the machines

doing a fast lap here.

It's all about risk. Whereas most other tracks doing a fast lap

lap is about

being smart.

So

it's, it's been windy out here. You know, you're going through turn 8, 100 30 140 miles an hour. You got a lot to think about

other than the motorcycle.

After three days, it was time to compare notes starting with the engines.

Ducati's 999 made a peak 111.6 horsepower

and probably a 60 degree

RSV delivered a horse or two more.

The Italian bikes, they're both V twins and in

this class,

they have basically the same displacement as these 1000 cc four cylinders do and

they just don't have quite the horsepower.

The GSX 750 tops, the bigger Euro twins with 119 horses.

Kawasaki's ZX 10 is the most powerful Japanese bike with 152.3 horses at the rear wheel.

It's a torque motor.

You know, if you're riding that fedex 10 in the right rev range, it just hauls ass and

I mean, it's really good

with 15 less ponies. Honda CBR is the least powerful four, but it's got the best mid range power.

The Honda,

the roll on power was the best out of all of them. I think the mid range hit from about six grand on,

really pulled. Well, it's smooth.

The big Suzuki delivers an awesome punch. In the bottom and mid range making 142.3 horses.

Yamaha's

R one dinos a hair less making heat power at 12,300 RPM.

For me, the most confidence inspiring bike was the R one on the big track because it felt nicely planted. The power delivery was nice and smooth.

The feedback was really good.

Well, those are impressive but dyno results won't determine the winner. Track testing will

the world's best bigboard bike right after this.

Ok. Now all the bikes in our shootout are excellent, but there are some clear differences

after three days of testing and hundreds of hot laps, the strengths and weaknesses of all the bikes are apparent.

Kawasaki ZX 10 is the lightest and most powerful, but it's held back by harsh suspension

with no steering dampener. It's prone to head shake.

The front end is really light and it does get a little nervous. So a

steering damper I think would settle that right down.

The

Ducati with trellis frame and Brembo brakes delivers great torque handles and stops.

But the 999 lacks power

Ducati

suspension.

I

think it was Anna brakes

field were the best of the bunch for me and I think most of the journalists agree with that.

That's

why had the power

Yamaha

R One has sexy styling and a new chassis with razor sharp handling.

Its 20 valve engine lacks mid range, but not

for me the most confident aspiring bike was the R one. The Yamaha just seemed to track really good in all the changing conditions with the head wind, with the side wind, with the bumpiness of the track.

The

Ali's trick

and suspension offers excellent handling but the Italian twin lacks muscle.

It's a great looking motorcycle.

It doesn't do anything wrong necessarily,

but I was just looking for a little bit more zip out of the engine.

The GSX 1000 has the zip, it's powerful with clean fuel delivery and a smooth gearbox. But at speed there's for

chatter and a lack of suspension compliance,

they feel like they're on edge. The front ends bounced around a lot. It never really felt,

it didn't give you that confidence feeling in the front.

The whole bike

moved around

the CBR 1000 RR is heavier and less powerful than the others. But its linear power band has great mid range and its chassis technology makes it very stable.

170 miles an hour on a bike is nothing to

sneeze at.

You're going really fast. You need a bike that's going to be really stable. And I'm impressed with the Honda

CBR 1000 R RS

new steering damper. The hec, the electronic damper on the thing,

the all new GSX 750 is a middle weight on steroids that stops and handles,

but it gives away too much.

It's within about a second of the other bikes, maybe a second and a half.

And

so

being that it's down that much on power, it's doing a really good job. It's just not quite there on the motor

in the end. None are perfect. But it's the technology in the newest bikes, the ZX 10, the Honda and the R one that stands out,

I think that

all three of those manufacturers stepped up the power a lot, but they also stepped up their braking capabilities and they also stepped up their suspension

and they're just completely different bites.

Here's how they stack up out of seven. The potent Kawasaki comes in third. The ZX 10 has the horses.

But how about a steering damper to tame that nervousness at speed?

The R one takes second place. The Yamaha has sex appeal and raw adrenaline

but its toll gear and peaky power make it more suited for racing than the street.

The gold goes to the smooth and composed. Honda,

thanks to its technology. The CVR is the best overall

and the winner of this year's cycle news shootout.

Well, congratulations to team Honda and their spectacular new CBR 1000 RR

up next meet George Bryce, the man behind the world's biggest V twins.

All right. Now, if you like going fast and quick and big V twins turn you on, you need to meet George Bryce.

George Price's star racing is without a doubt, one of the most successful teams in the history of pro stock drag racing.

The teams won 67

Nhra races and six world championships running some of the quickest and fastest four cylinder Suzuki's ever built.

But this year the team is making a radical jump to V twin power fielding a brand new fuel Pro Stocker with a monster motor.

It's an exotic new big block that George is developing with the help of SN S Cycles who machines the entire motor from billet aluminum

160 cubic inch two cylinder. If it was a V8, it would be 640 cubic inches. We have 310 rear wheel horsepower out of our 162 cylinder.

So it would be well over 1000 horsepower if it was a V8,

this bad boy is not just a one off race engine. The lessons learned by the team at the track are being applied to a series of racing and street engines to be built by SN S.

This is the prototype of a production part that we're actually going to sell people to race.

We expect to see these engines go to Bonneville. We expect to see them in sportsman categories

and

it trickles down to this new 124 engine and they're air cooled. We got the big fans, they got the starters, the alternators and you can actually drive these to work.

The 124 motors are powerful epa approved street legal engines that are direct bolt ons for Harley's

and they will dramatically change the attitude of any cruiser.

What you get is a complete engine with the 4.844 and 58 stroke. It comes with two big S and S CAMS.

We use some of the existing parts, the oil pump and the cam plate from your existing TC 88 engine or we'll supply you the rest of the parts you need

and we'll put this whole deal together. You can put it in your bike

and it makes the stock engine from around 65 rear wheel horsepower to

125 to 130

it doubles your torque from 70 ft pounds to 140 ft pounds.

After this new road King got a 124 transplant.

George

flipped over two seconds off its elapsed time hosting an 1001 52

more than 115 miles an hour.

Not bad for a 700 pound bike.

Long time racing. Customer Cliff Nobles is also having fun at the strip, but it's on the street where his road King Sleeper is sucker punching the sport.

What I like doing with this bike

is ride it on the street

and finding 600

brand new F twos are sixes

and from street light to street light just kill them.

It's fun. I mean, it's really fun.

So

whether it's on the street or the spread,

you can be sure there's a lot more big V twin power on the way from the speed demons at S and S and Star racing.

I'm excited about the possibilities and opportunities every day.

It's a whole new world out there in this V twin market and the products are advancing so quickly and we're on the cutting edge of that and it's a lot of fun.

You bet George 160 cubic inches of fun.

Coming up. Liquid performance. It's tech in a can in our project of the week.

Hey guys, we're back on T DC.

I'm Tommy G. Today we're talking about looks and performance.

Obviously, this chopper has both. This baby is called long and hard for many reasons. It's 10 ft from rubber to rubber.

The forks have a 52 degree rake and are 18 inches longer than stock old school since there's no rear suspension.

But with the fully modern 100 cubic inch rev tech B twin,

these bikes are from Big Daddy's custom motorcycles in Porter, Texas.

They build one of a kind to order

with prices ranging from 18 grand to 40,000.

But the reason Big Daddy brought these all the way up from Texas wasn't just for show and tell,

we're gonna compare synthetic based lubricants versus traditional motor oils by running both through the bike.

And we're gonna check temperature differences with the really cool infrared camera.

So why long and hard hair cools down.

Let me show you what else we got.

There's no way most guys would attempt to paint job like this,

but there is a way you could get custom results on your own. It's the Mirage, a color shifting paint kit we picked up from duple color. The three step process comes with a base coat, a

color coat and a clear coat for protection.

I don't know about you guys, but this helmet is just a little too crazy for me.

So I'm gonna put a custom paint job on it

first prep the surface before priming with some 400 grip paper,

then mask it off.

Dups,

prep, wipe will chemically clean the surface as well as remove sandy dust.

So the primer sticks better dua

color recommends a shot of adhesion promoter, especially on composite surfaces like this helmet

for the base coat. Shake it up real good. Then use light even sweeps 8 to 12 inches away until you get full coverage

with the mid coat. You can almost immediately see the color shifting.

The magenta flakes pop out right away

when the light hits it differently.

The color shifts to a gold flake. Amazing.

The more coats you put on,

the greater the color changing effect.

Check it out. Is that sweet or what?

While our first coat dries, let's go do our oil comparison.

Synthetic oils have been around for years,

but just how well did they work compared to regular motor oil,

we'll use a thermal imaging camera to record engine temperatures and show us hot spots with and without synthetic.

Since everything looks ok, let's get started.

This fan will prevent our idling bike from overheating.

The color graph on the left side of the screen shows a temperature scale we've sped it up. So you can actually see the engine get hot

once the oil reaches operating temperature, I'll record the first reading

with the bike cooled down. I'll drain all the conventional motor oil completely out of the engine

and out of all the lines

then put in synthetic, we're using Royal Purple's max cycle. It's been tested against other synthetics and showed meaningful gains in horsepower.

Now, let's see how it compares with regular oil.

Remember, this test is being done at idle. If this bike was under a load, you'd see greater temperature differences at higher RPM

with the oil back at operating temperature.

I'll grab a freeze so we can analyze the results.

Image number one is conventional motor oil.

We took measurements at the exhaust port area of the heads and between the cylinders

averaging the three readings we came up with 288.66

°F.

The synthetic registered an average temperature of 277.66 degrees for a difference of 11 degrees less heat. See for yourself, the synthetic registered less heat which translates to more horsepower and

those are some impressive numbers.

Although synthetic costs more, it lasts longer and protects better.

Speaking of protection,

I'll finish the dup color Mirage kit with the clear protective coat.

Very nice. A unique color shifting paint job for less than 20 bucks.

Ok. Now, if you want more power and torque and who doesn't a hot cam of valve train is the way to go? Now for you Harley guys, crane cams has the answer. Their HT 290 series hops up the twin cam 88 motor pumping low and mid range between 1858 100 RPM. They retail for $270 a set. Now for maximum performance, use them with crane push rods and lifters.

You can pick up four of these beefy adjustable push rods and performance lifters for about $185 and to amplify Harley cam upgrades. Crane offers their hotter fireball ignition. It's a true single fire box with adjustable advanced curves that deliver intense multi spark energy to the plugs good for one revolution starting. Now it's also got a built in rev limiter and they retail for about $330.

Now you can also get performance for better replacement parts like Axel's dual stage power filter. The outer layer of this high flow filter traps large particles in the inner layer traps. Fine ones. Retail is $30. All right guys. Well, that's all the time for this week. But join us next week,

we're off to Baha

for fun and sun dune riding and a day of action and LA play.

It'll be great until then ride safe.
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